The Destruction Of Gog

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3/12/2005

Could you sign this statment of Faith

Hey guys would love to know your thoughts on this statment of faith. Who could sign it and who could not and why? This not a heresy hunt, except perhaps on the writer of this document, namely me. Grammar and spelling too can be slated!!!


We believe in Jesus Christ born of a woman, namely the Virgin Mary,
who suffered under Pontius Pilate. Very God, Very Man, having nothing lacking which
is true of God and Having nothing lacking of Man, sin except. Bone of
our Bone and Flesh of our Flesh. Who being the Word made Flesh is the
full and complete revelation of God the Holy Trinity as attested to by
the Holy Scriptures.

We believe in God the Holy Trinity to whom we alone owe and bring
worship, Three persons one substance. The Father is everything the Son
and Spirit is except being Son and Spirit. The Son is everything that
the Father and Spirit is except being the Son and Spirit. The Spirit
is everything the Father and Son is except being Father and Son. In
short we hold the Trinity not to be a philosophical musing rather to
be the revelation of the personal God.

We believe in God the Father Almighty Maker of heaven and Earth. Who
through Christ by the Sprit we cry 'Abba Father'. He is not the God
of the Philosophers rather he is our dear Father who took the cost of
sending his Son to die for us.

We believe that the Son of God became man, not for his own sake, but
for ours to save us from our sins. We believe in so doing he bore our
sin and penalty. Offering to the Holy Love of God complete and perfect
satisfaction by his life and death in our name and in our place and
that of all people. We believe he rose Victoriously and Bodily from
the grave and Ascended to heaven bearing us with Him and seating us in
heavenly places in Him. From there giving Good gifts to his Church.
Where He intercedes for His beloved Church. From where He shall return
to Judge the living and the dead. In short we hold that Jesus Christ
is the Gospel, the revelation of the Father Heart of God in the power
of the Spirit.

We believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord the Giver of Life. Who gives us
both faith in Jesus with its assurance rather than from ourselves.
Who also sanctifies us, and brings us into all truth by his own
working, without whom we should remain forever enemies to God and
ignorant of his Son, Christ Jesus. For by nature we are so dead,
blind, and corrupt, that neither can we feel when we are moved by the
truth, see the light when it shines, nor assent to the will of God
when it is revealed, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus make alive
that which is dead, remove the darkness from our minds, and bow our
stubborn hearts to the obedience of his blessed will. In short we
believe that we are saved by Grace and not by our human effort.

We believe that the Holy Spirit gives to the Church His Word, the
Scripture. We hold Scripture not to be dead letters but the living Word
and faithful record of God's dealing with humanity. Through the
Scripture the Holy Spirit brings Christ to our Mind, heart and Lives.
And as such we believe that the Spirit uses the Scriptures ever to
renew and revive his beloved Church.

We believe in the Church the body of Christ on Earth.
We believe that the Church should be a place of both healing and
mission. We believe that the Holy Spirit endows the Church with Gifts
of the Assended Christ(which some people call supernatural and
natural) and believe that these are to be exercised in the whole of
the Church's life. We believe in the mission of the Church as the
witness to the glories of Christ to the world both through word and
action. Including, but not solely, proclamation of the Gospel and
social action, with special reference to the destitute and poor.

We believe in the Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper, that
these are means of Grace to the Church given by Christ and with which
the whole body of the Church is strengthened and encouraged. We
believe that baptism is the sign of the entrance to the people of God
through its reference to the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus
Christ. We believe that in the sacrament of the Lord's supper is a
place of real presence and absence. Absence in that we look expectedly
for the physical return of the Lord Jesus. Present in that we
believers are by the Holy Sprit united to Christ by faith where upon
the whole church is drawn into closer fellowship with one another and
strengthened to do God's will.

5 Comments:

Blogger Lou Davis said...

" born of a woman, namely the Virgin Mary, under Pontius Pilate"

Now there's a mental picture I didn't need!

9:30 am  
Blogger xopher_mc said...

yes good point, opps

I shall now change it

12:35 pm  
Blogger Sven said...

lol.

I'd sign it as long as you made it slightly clearer what you meant by 'he bore our penalty' - I just want to avoid p.s. overtones.

5:27 pm  
Blogger Lou Davis said...

I probably could sign it, it seems good on a once over read but it's pretty long and packed full of theological meaning that I might have to spend some more time unpacking before I was ready to sign it.

On generation cross we spent several weeks as a community coming up with a creed we could all agree too - and because we had some pretty liberal members we had some difficulty finding common ground, but I think we ended up with something that is still Christian and still powerful:


We believe in One God.
A God of love who encourages us to love each another as God loves us.
We believe in God our father and mother- the source of all life.
We believe in God our brother, faithful to creation, who in Jesus of Nazareth lived among us.
We believe his death and rebirth brings healing for our self created separation from God.
We believe in life after death, and a life of fullness on earth.
We believe in God the spirit, the life source we look to for sustenance, who gives genorously, enabling and transforming us.
We believe in one world community, a common humanity united by God.
We love the one living God with all our heart, spirit and mind, and live by Christ's example.


What do you (in all your infinite theological knowledge) think?

9:06 am  
Blogger xopher_mc said...

Sven: it is delibertately that way so those who believe in penal can sign it and those that dont can too.


Silkworm:
my first thought is that it is pretty good.

However, if I was to knit pick. I would want something about it would be the lack of stating of three persons, otherwise it could degenerate into modalism.

Bodily ressurection too.

4:02 pm  

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