A reply to Dr. Warnock
Dear Adrian,
Firstly Adrian I have at least in this article attempted however briefly to look at YOUR supposed key passages.
http://destructionofgog.blogspot.com/2005/01/brief-note-on-issiah-53-romans.html
Adrian I am begining to wonder wether you are actualy reading any of my posts (and emails) or svens posts. You seem to be only intrested in proof texting. Note the devil can quote scripture i.e the text has infinite hermenutical potential.
My fundemental point to you is:
ADRIAN YOU ARE NOT TAKING SIN SEROUSLY ENOUGH.
GOD IS REAL MAD AT SIN, GOD HATES SIN, GOD IS THE ENEMY OF SIN. UNLIKE SOME FORMS OF CALVINISM WERE GOD ULTIMATELY WILLS SIN. GOD HATES SIN , AND IF HE DOESNT HE IS NOT WORTH WORSHIPING.
SIN IS NOT JUST A LEGAL PROBLEM as C. S. Lewis puts it we are enemies of God. Even if Christ were to 'take our punishment' we would still be against God. God doesnt want to just save you from Hell. He wants to renew you according to the image of the Son.
SIN IS REALLY BAD AND GOD HATES IT.
THE AT-ONE-MENT REALLY IS AT ONE MENT. It is a cheap, legal fiction, gospel that just says Jesus takes the punishment so I'M ok. You sound in this post like the person that things there should be a speed limit but not for me. Jesus is about so much MORE as Romans 6 tells us Christ death was TO sin. Christ died to sin as our substitute and representative. He took our fallen humanity (romans 8 3) our alieneted mind. He changed us, We are in him like we were in Adam. He then through his Death has DIED TO SIN. Yes so we can avoid hell. Not however with the carefull rearangement of the moral books so we are on the good side of the ledger. But because we cease to be damable.
GOD IS TO BIG, TO TO A QUASI MATHEMATICAL SUM. God want to be in relationship with man. CHRIST THREFORE TRULY CHANGES MAN HE HAS DIED TO THE FLESH AND LIVED TO GOD. He has resisted sin to death. (Hebrews 13)
You ask me what gospel?
WHAT GOSPEL, ALL GOSPEL. CHRIST HAS CHANGED MAN FOREVER. HE IS NOT JUST OUR JUSTIFICATION HE IS OUR SANCTICATION we have been sanctified(past tense romans 8) because we are in christ.
He has delt with the Wrath of God because as luther said the Wrath of God is his strange work. He has made the wrath of God (which was the love of God expressed against sin) obselete because he is the last Adam he is God's last word on humanity.
Man is forever seen In Christ.
Amen and Amen
Firstly Adrian I have at least in this article attempted however briefly to look at YOUR supposed key passages.
http://destructionofgog.blogspot.com/2005/01/brief-note-on-issiah-53-romans.html
Adrian I am begining to wonder wether you are actualy reading any of my posts (and emails) or svens posts. You seem to be only intrested in proof texting. Note the devil can quote scripture i.e the text has infinite hermenutical potential.
My fundemental point to you is:
ADRIAN YOU ARE NOT TAKING SIN SEROUSLY ENOUGH.
GOD IS REAL MAD AT SIN, GOD HATES SIN, GOD IS THE ENEMY OF SIN. UNLIKE SOME FORMS OF CALVINISM WERE GOD ULTIMATELY WILLS SIN. GOD HATES SIN , AND IF HE DOESNT HE IS NOT WORTH WORSHIPING.
SIN IS NOT JUST A LEGAL PROBLEM as C. S. Lewis puts it we are enemies of God. Even if Christ were to 'take our punishment' we would still be against God. God doesnt want to just save you from Hell. He wants to renew you according to the image of the Son.
SIN IS REALLY BAD AND GOD HATES IT.
THE AT-ONE-MENT REALLY IS AT ONE MENT. It is a cheap, legal fiction, gospel that just says Jesus takes the punishment so I'M ok. You sound in this post like the person that things there should be a speed limit but not for me. Jesus is about so much MORE as Romans 6 tells us Christ death was TO sin. Christ died to sin as our substitute and representative. He took our fallen humanity (romans 8 3) our alieneted mind. He changed us, We are in him like we were in Adam. He then through his Death has DIED TO SIN. Yes so we can avoid hell. Not however with the carefull rearangement of the moral books so we are on the good side of the ledger. But because we cease to be damable.
GOD IS TO BIG, TO TO A QUASI MATHEMATICAL SUM. God want to be in relationship with man. CHRIST THREFORE TRULY CHANGES MAN HE HAS DIED TO THE FLESH AND LIVED TO GOD. He has resisted sin to death. (Hebrews 13)
You ask me what gospel?
WHAT GOSPEL, ALL GOSPEL. CHRIST HAS CHANGED MAN FOREVER. HE IS NOT JUST OUR JUSTIFICATION HE IS OUR SANCTICATION we have been sanctified(past tense romans 8) because we are in christ.
He has delt with the Wrath of God because as luther said the Wrath of God is his strange work. He has made the wrath of God (which was the love of God expressed against sin) obselete because he is the last Adam he is God's last word on humanity.
Man is forever seen In Christ.
Amen and Amen
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